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| 1 |  |  Oklahoma City Zoological Park The oldest zoo in the Southwest and one of the top in the nation, the Oklahoma City Zoo's 110 acres are home to more than 2,800 of the world's most exotic animals http://www.okczoo.com | Oklahoma United States | 2 | 0 |  |
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| 2 |  | Black Pine Animal Park  Non-profit exotic animal rescue & retirement center http://www.blackpineanimalpark.com | United States |  | 0 | 1 |  |
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| 3 | |  The Columbus Zoo and Aquarium The Columbus Zoo and Aquarium is internationally recognized for its captive breeding program, which includes species such as the western lowland gorilla... http://www.colszoo.org | Ohio United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 4 | |  Toronto Zoo Opened in 1974, the Toronto Zoo was founded for the purpose of exhibiting and conserving a diversity of species within the animal and plant kingdoms http://www.torontozoo.com | Toronto Canada | 1 | 0 | |
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| 5 | | Indian National Park The Indian Wildlife National Park has a unique status worldwide. It has the second largest base of bio diversity in the world. India's wildlife sanctuaries, which cover about 90,000 sq km, house more than 500 species of mammals, over 2000 species of http://www.indiannationalpark.net | India | 1 | 0 | |
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| 6 | | Cleveland Metroparks Zoo Welcome to Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, home to the largest primate collection in North America. Thousands of animals roam the Zoo's 168 acres and 2 indoor acres of tropics - The RainForest. Take a virtual tour, learn about animals, check the e Cleve http://www.clemetzoo.com | Cleveland United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 7 | | Cheyenne Mountain Zoo No visit to the Pikes Peak region is complete without a trip to the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo! Here, you'll experience an unforgettable adventure combining our breathtaking mountain scenery with more than 650 animals, representing 142 different / Colo http://www.cmzoo.org | Colorado Springs United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 8 | | Minnesota Zoo Our mission is to strengthen the bond between people and the living earth, which, loosely translated, means we're dedicated to inspiring people to act on behalf of the environment. To accomplish this, we provide award-winning recreational, educati http://www.mnzoo.com | Minnesota United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 9 | | North Carolina Zoo The North Carolina Zoological Park, with more than 500 acres in its African and North American continental regions, is a place of wonder and discovery. It is the country's largest and finest walk-through, natural-habitat zoo. This means that the a http://www.nczoo.org | North Carolina United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 10 | | Saint Louis Zoo The Saint Louis Zoo’s mission is to provide educational and recreational opportunities for the public through exhibition and conservation of animals and their habitats http://www.stlzoo.org | Saint Louis United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 11 | | Toledo Zoo Our mission is to promote wildlife and its conservation through excellence in animal management, educational programs, and scientific activities while providing our visitors with an enjoyable, recreational, and family-oriented experience http://www.toledozoo.org | Ohio United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 12 | | Zoo Atlanta Zoo Atlanta is a private nonprofit wildlife park and zoological trust empowered to exhibit, interpret, study, and care for wildlife in superior environments, to conserve biodiversity throughout the world, to educate, enlighten and entertain the publi http://www.zooatlanta.org | Atlanta United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 13 | | Oregon Zoo Our zoo began in the back of a Portland pharmacy in 1887 and has seen a rich 100 plus years of history, and we have great plans for the future, which are driven by our vision and seven stated values http://www.zooregon.org | Oregon United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 14 | | The Kansas City Zoo This site provide information on all animals new and old.This is one of the best zoo's around . Your family would love the big aquirum http://www.kansascityzoo.org | United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 15 | | The Houston Zoo Located in Hermann Park, the Houston Zoo provides a fun, unique, and inspirational experience fostering appreciation, knowledge, and care for the natural world. The Houston Zoo is dedicated to practicing exemplary animal care... http://wild.houstonzoo.org | United States | 1 | 0 | |
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| 16 | | Calgary Zoo The Calgary Zoo - Research, Education, Conservation and Recreation all http://www.calgaryzoo.org | Calgary Canada | 1 | 0 | |
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| 17 | | Bowmanville Zoological Park Canada's oldest zoological park and home to several animal movie stars http://www.bowmanvillezoo.com | Ontario Canada | 1 | 0 | |
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| 18 | | Papanack Park Zoo Family operated facility open to the public; home of white lion cubs http://www.papanack.com | Ontario Canada | 1 | 0 | |
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| 19 | | Safari Park Shenzhen Ò°Éú¶¯ÎïÔ°·ÅÑø×Å300¶à¸öÆ·ÖÖ¡¢½üÍòÍ·£¨Ö»£©¶¯Îï¡£ÕâЩ¶¯Îï³ýÀ´×ÔÈ«¹ú¸÷µØÍ⣬»¹À´×ÔÊÀ½ç¸÷ÖÞ£¬ËüÃǵ±ÖÐÓв»ÉÙÊôÓÚÊÀ½çÕäÇÝÃûÊÞºÍÎÒ¹úÒ»¡¢¶þ¼¶±£»¤¶¯Îï¡£Èç´óÐÜè¡¢½ðË¿ºï¡¢ÁçÅ£¡¢»ðÁÒÄñ¡¢³¤¾±Â¹¡¢°ßÂí¡¢ÑÇÖÞÏó¡¢µ¤¶¥º×¡¢¶«±±»¢µÈ¡£ http://www.szzoo.net | Shenzhen China | 1 | 0 | |
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| 20 | | Brevardo Zoo Located in east central Florida (Brevard County/Florida's Space Coast), one hour's drive from Orlando International Airport and Disney, just east of Exit 73 off I-95, 25 minutes from Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex and 15 minutes from the http://www.brevardzoo.org | Florida United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 21 | | Nashville Zoo Nashville Zoo offers many animal species including cheetah, zebra, ostrich, gibbons, hyacinth macaw and more. In addition, the Zoo offers the Jungle Gym, the country's largest community-buiot playground, the Grassmere Historic Farm, the... http://www.nashvillezoo.org | Nashville United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 22 | | Guangzhou Zoo Guangzhou Zoological Garden was built in 1958 covering a total area of 42 hectares. More than 400 domestic and overseas species, nearly 5000 animals in total are being raised and exhibited in the zoo. It's one of three biggest city zoos in China http://www.gzzoo.com/ | Guangzhou China | 0 | 0 | |
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| 23 | | Austin Zoo Austin Zoo is an organization committed to the rescue, enrichment and well being of endangered and unwanted animals in partnership with our community.Texas USA http://www.austinzoo.com | Texas United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 24 | | AZA The American Zoos and Aquariums Association http://www.aza.org | United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 25 | | Bronx Zoo The world’s most fantastic zoo – and to the heart of WCS and our work to save wildlife and wild places around the globe http://www.bronxzoo.com | New York United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 26 | | Cincinnati Zoo The Cincinnati Zoo was largely patterned after the Frankfurt Zoo and other European zoos. The Cincinnati Zoo opened with 65 acres, the same as the Berlin Zoo, then the largest zoo in Europe. Cincinnati USA http://www.cincyzoo.org | Cincinnati United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 27 | | Dallas Zoo The Dallas Zoo and The Dallas Aquarium at Fair Park offer a variety of family events year round. The special public events offer lots of activities and live music and are free with the price of regular Zoo admission. Keeper Talks take place every... http://www.dallas-zoo.org | Texas United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 28 | | Denver Zoo With an exciting 10-year master plan in place, the 21st century will see the Denver Zoo transformed into an exciting conservation center that will continue to further the evolution of superb zoo http://www.denverzoo.org | Colorado United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 29 | | Fort Worth Zoo Visit the Fort Worth Zoo and see more than 6,000 exotic and native animals in beautifully landscaped natural habitats. The Fort Worth Zoo, established in 1909, is the oldest continuous zoo site in Texas and one of the top zoos in the nation http://www.fortworthzoo.com | Texas United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 30 | | Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo has four primary objectives: conservation, research, recreation, and education. In promoting these objectives on a local, regional, national, and global scale, the Zoo provides exciting recreational opportunities that... http://www.henrydoorlyzoo.com | Omaha United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 31 | | Houston Zoo The Houston Zoological Gardens has a long history of involvement and support of conservation programs for endangered and threatened species. We have developed a comprehensive and coordinated conservation program - both at the zoo and in the field... http://www.houstonzoo.org | Texas United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 32 | | Indianapolis Zoo Take a look at what the Indianapolis Zoo has to offer! You will learn more about how the Zoo exhibits its animal collection and what animals you will see when you visit the Zoo. Look for the special panoramic views of selected biomes! http://www.indyzoo.com | Indianapolis United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 33 | | Los Angeles Zoo The Zoo continues to improve and provide a more interesting and educational experience for visitors, as well as excellent living conditions for the 1,200 animals in our care. The Zoo continues to participate in conservation programs to preserve nativ http://www.lazoo.org | Los Angeles United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 34 | | The Oakland Zoo The Oakland Zoo is nestled in the rolling hills of 525-acre Knowland Park. Each year thousands of families and school groups from around the Bay Area come to visit over 300 native and exotic animals that live in naturalistic habitats at the Zoo. http://www.oaklandzoo.org | California United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 35 | | Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium The 29-acre zoo is large enough to offer an awesome array of animals yet small enough to let you get really close to them. Enjoy the fresh air. Laugh at the otters’ antics... http://www.pdza.org | Washington United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 36 | | Perth Zoo Perth Zoo is administered by the Zoological Gardens Board of Western Australia. The Zoological Gardens Board is constitued under the authority of the Zoological Gardens Act, 1972 http://www.perthzoo.wa.gov.au | Perth Australia | 0 | 0 | |
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| 37 | | Philadelphia Zoo Come closer to the action at the Philadelphia Zoo. The Zoo is hopping with excitement, so swing by and check out the new exhibits, special events and animals. To learn what makes each season special at America's first zoo... http://www.phillyzoo.org | Philadelphia United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 38 | | Phoenix Zoo The Phoenix Zoo is one of America's most successful, privately-owned, nonprofit zoological parks. It began as the vision of one person, Robert E. Maytag, who worked tirelessly to rally community support on behalf of the zoo... http://www.phoenixzoo.org | Arizona United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 39 | | Riverbanks Zoological Park & Botanical Garden Riverbanks Zoological Park & Botanical Garden, in Columbia, South Carolina, offers a relaxing, entertaining and unique educational experience for the entire family. More than 2,000 animals are housed in natural habitat exhibits that use... http://www.riverbanks.org | South Carolina United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 40 | | San Diego Zoo At the World-Famous San Diego Zoo, you will see some of the world’s rarest wildlife including giant pandas (and Hua Mei, the only panda cub in the U.S.), and koalas. New at the Zoo is Ituri Forest, a mysterious central African rain forest where... http://www.sandiegozoo.org | San Diego United States | | 0 | 0 | |
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| 41 | | San Antonio Zoo Being one of the largest zoos in the country with 3,500 animals of 750 species means there is a lot to see. The San Antonio Zoo is one of the premier zoos in the country, and our conservation programs with flamingo, white rhino, black rhino, snow... http://www.sazoo-aq.org | San Antonio United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 42 | | Sedgwick County Zoo The 247-acre Sedgwick County Zoo opened in 1971 and has been ranked among the best zoos in the world. Displaying over 2,000 animals of 436 species, it is the number one tourist attraction in Kansas. The Sedgwick County Zoo is... http://www.scz.org | Kansas United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 43 | | San Francisco Zoo We are designing our New Zoo with the underlying belief that interaction and activity leads to conservation action. We believe that caring for specific animals leads people to care for all wildlife and that this is the first step of the journey to... http://www.sfzoo.org | San Francisco United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 44 | | Smithsonian National Zoological Park The 163-acre Smithsonian National Zoological Park in Rock Creek Park was established by an Act of Congress in 1889 http://www.si.edu/natzoo | Washington DC United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 45 | | Woodland Park Zoo Woodland Park Zoo is a conservation and education institution demonstrating http://www.zoo.org | Seattle United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 46 | | Roger Williams Park Zoo Nationally acclaimed and award winning - Roger Williams Park Zoo has received accolades from all over the country for its conservation and education efforts as well as its entertainment value http://www.rwpzoo.org | United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 47 | | Tiergarten Schönbrunn / Vienna Zoo The world’s oldest zoo (founded 1752!). Building on its long history, Tiergarten Schönbrunn has developed into one of the most modern zoos in the world over the last 10 years http://www.zoovienna.at | Vienna Italy | 0 | 0 | |
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| 48 | | Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo Alabama Gulf Coast Zoo with over 260+ wild animals http://www.alabamagulfcoastzoo.com | United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 49 | | Central Park Zoo New York zoo and aquarium website http://nyzoosandaquarium.com | United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 50 | | Philadelphia Zoo The Philadelphia Zoo, America's first Zoo http://www.philadelphiazoo.org | United States | 0 | 0 | |
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| 51 | | Los Angeles Zoo! Visit The Maryland Zoo in Baltimore http://www.lazoo.org/ | Internet | 0 | 0 | |
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| 52 | | Saskatoon Zoo Society Dedicated to the education and promotion of animal life. Features interactive map, programs at the zoo, and more... http://www.quadrant.net/zoosociety | Sasakatchewan Canada | 0 | 0 | |
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| 53 | | Zoological Society of Manitoba Charitable organization that maintains the animal exhibits at the Assiniboine Park Zoo in Winnipeg, Manitoba http://www.zoosociety.com | Manitoba Canada | 0 | 0 | |
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| 54 | | Jungle Cat World Jungle Cat World Wildlife Park http://www.junglecatworld.com | Ontario Canada | 0 | 0 | |
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| 55 | | Auckland Zoo Auckland Zoo is a living classroom with: 150 animal species, 500 animals, an array of different habitats, experienced, specialist staff, and a firm commitment to education and conservation http://www.aucklandzoo.com | Auckland New Zealand | 0 | 0 | |
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| 57 | | Beijing Wildlife Park ±±¾©Ò°Éú¶¯ÎïÔ°ÊǾԹú¼ÒÁÖÒµ¾ÖÅú×¼£¬±±¾©ÊÐÕþ¸®Á¢Ïî¡¢±±¾©ÂÌÒ°Çç´¨ÓÐÏÞ¹«Ë¾Í¶×ʽ¨ÉèµÄ¼¯¶¯Îï±£»¤¡¢Ò°Éú¶¯ÎïѱÑø·±Ö³¼°¿ÆÆÕ½ÌÓýΪһÌåµÄ´óÐÍ×ÔÈ»Éú̬¹«Ô°¡£Ô°ÇøÕ¼µØ3£¬600Ķ£¬Í¶×Ê×ܶîÒ»ÒÚÎåǧÍòÔªÈËÃñ±Ò£¬»ã¼¯ÁËÊÀ½ç¸÷µØÕäÏ¡Ò°Éú¶¯Îï200¶àÖÖ10£¬000ÓàÍ·£¨Ö»£©¡£Ô°Çøλ http://www.bjwildlifepark.com.cn | Beijing China | 0 | 0 | |
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| 60 | | Shanghai Zoo °éËæ×Å°ë¸öÊÀ¼ÍµÄ½¨É裬ÉϺ£¶¯ÎïÔ°ÒѳÉΪÉϺ£ÊÐÇø×î¼ÑµÄÉú̬԰ÁÖÖ®Ò»¡£ÏÖËÇÑøÕ¹³öÕäÏ¡Ò°Éú¶¯Îï600ÓàÖÖ6000 ¶àÖ»£¨Í·£©£¬°üÀ¨´óÐÜè¡¢½ðË¿ºï¡¢»ªÄÏ»¢µÈÎÒ¹úÌزúÕäÏ¡Ò°Éú¶¯ÎÒÔ¼°ºÚÐÉÐÉ¡¢³¤¾±Â¹¡¢±±¼«ÐÜ¡¢´üÊóµÈÊÀ½ç¸÷µØµÄ´ú±íÐÔ¶¯Î˳ӦÊÀ´úµÄ·¢Õ¹£¬ÉϺ£¶¯ÎïÔ°ÖðÄê¸Ä http://www.shanghaizoo.cn/gb/ | Shanghai China | 0 | 0 | |
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| 61 | | Indian National Park The Indian Wildlife National Park has a unique status worldwide. It has the second largest base of bio diversity in the world. India's wildlife sanctuaries, which cover about 90,000 sq km, house more than 500 species of mammals, over 2000 species of http://www.indiannationalpark.net | India | 0 | 0 | |
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| 1 | Indian National Park | 12/09/06 | 11 | Jungle Cat World | 06/01/05 |
| 2 | Indian National Park | 12/06/06 | 12 | Zoological Society of Manitoba | 06/01/05 |
| 3 | Shanghai Zoo | 08/19/05 | 13 | Saskatoon Zoo Society | 06/01/05 |
| 4 | Hangzhou Zoo | 08/19/05 | 14 | Papanack Park Zoo | 06/01/05 |
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